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Mike H's avatar

Such a fun two-sided lens for thinking about CFB <> America. Here are some disjointed thoughts:

1. One of the very best books I've ever read is AMERICAN ODYSSEY by Robert Conot. Putatitively, it's a narrative history of Detroit from 1820 - 1970 but as one might imagine it's hard to tell that story without also telling the story of America over the same period.

One of the most formative elements in Yankeedom's spread from the Northeast to the Rust Belt was the influx of what Conot calls "The Bostonians" into the corridors of power around Detoit as the geo-strategic importance of the City's location became clear. At a collegiate/cultural level, so much of this legacy has lived (still lives) on through the institutional identity and power of the University of Michigan. U of M has forever represented and been both aspirationally and substantively of the East Coast in a way that has animated so much of the rest of the region.

U of M aligned with the historical WASP-yness of the East Coast to such an extent that Notre Dame (ethnic Catholics), MSU (agricultural homesteaders) and Ohio State (Scots-Irish Appalachians and Midlanders) all could be argued to have grown up through the necessity of those groups having institutional beacons in oppositional counterweight to Michigan. To varying degrees of success, Notre Dame tried to out-faith and out-fame Michigan, Michigan State tried to out-grit them, and Ohio State has tried to outwill them. If you drill really far down into the urban politics of Yankeedom's Rust Belt cities over the years, you can still see all these dynamics at play.

Ohio State probably wears the tension best to this day, I think in part because it embraces the multiplicity of a Yankeedom/Midlands/Appalachian identity in a way that Notre Dame (which is really not sure of what exactly it is at this point and cannot figure out its relationship to Michigan) and, to a lesser extent, Michigan State have not.

2. I don't know enough about The South and the history of the region or institutions thereof to comment at the same length but I do think it's interesting how much of a "follow the leader" dynamic has obtained there. Historically, that has meant trying to mimic whatever Alabama has proven to be optimal under Bryant and Saban, but I do think it also belies more of a "Might Makes Right" ethos than what you see in Yankeedom, which features more stubborn insistence on sub-group philosophical identity and superiority.

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This book manages to be both very interesting and provides a useful framework to think about American culture while also veering into pop pseudo-history, which is fine imo since tenured historians have a habit of calling anything that’s interesting and digestible to common people pop history.

I’ve lived in greater Appalachia all of my life with a stint in the Deep South and I think the 11 nations are directionally correct. The biggest issue is that it kind of feels like he ran out of steam once he got to the plains because there should probably be at least 3 “nations” in California, 2 in Utah, and Phoenix should probably be in the same “nation” as parts of Southern California at this point.

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